By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Bending a golf club allows you to change the angle of your club, which is an effective way of changing your ball flight. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Your link has been automatically embedded. In our forums, our members have been discussing modern irons with stronger lofts and whether they are easier or harder to play than older irons. Sign up to receive product offers and news! What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. [/quote] Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x Best of luck.Chuck. Sitemap. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM But manufacturers are smart. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. [/quote] ENTER NOW! What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Could be the flatter lie angles. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. There is no standard lie so the actual lie angle could be anything. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. move it forward again, then repeat. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Players have been doing this for a long time. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. This is often the case with cheaper branded golf clubs that are mass-produced, as less attention to detail is paid by the manufacturers. He had me hit on a board and said that I needed 1/2 inch long. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable It's all about control and the less flex, the better the control. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . Players have been doing this for a long time. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. If you don't like bend them back. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. On the one hand to adjust the lie individually. Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. [/quote] Your previous content has been restored. If you don't like bend them back. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. TXG Custom PXG 0211 6-pw, 1* flat, Recoil ESX 460 R. Callaway MD5 46*, Tour Issue DG S200. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); One thing we talk about profusely in class are Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first Mitchell Golf Equipment Company [/quote] Deciding whether or not to bend your clubs is down to personal preference. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. [/quote] Your link has been automatically embedded. (Worth the Money?!). Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. Pasted as rich text. Hogan was big into this. Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. He went with his new driver in the adjustable Upright position at 9* and he's loving it. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. To help you decide whether or not to bend your golf clubs, we take a deep dive into the practice in the following sections and explain what to expect in detail. I am 6ft tall and was fit into 2 deg upright. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. When you consider the fact that bending your golf clubs can make them easier to hit, you can see that its a great value for money option to consider, particularly when compared to investing in a new set of game improvement golf clubs. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Mickesgolf In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". How I go about it would be to get your loft and lies checked, then hit ball on trackman/flightscope/gc2, figure your carry numbers and adjust accordingly if you are that serious about doing it. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. Posted August 1, 2009. The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Now, your club is set to be at the right lie angle for YOU at impact - and now it is up to YOU whether that's ok or whether you need to fix a hook or slice tendency. [/quote] Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . Pasted as rich text. This applies to both face angle and lie. 2 degrees up from what? Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. 4. Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. Paste as plain text instead, Have you experimented with different shafts? Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. Apologies for the generalization to right-handed golfers, the opposite will obviously apply to lefties. [/quote] 4-iron - 20.5 degrees. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. Paste as plain text instead, We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. Pasted as rich text. By the way, thank you all for your input! This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. Which is more typical to change? more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. ENTER NOW! 6-iron launch: 17* 8 iron 38 160 Clear editor. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! For example, the mizuno MP forged blades (for low cappers) are flatter than the mizuno MX cast cavity back irons for the mid and high capper. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. As far as launch angle goes, that isnt really as important on irons because you have so many of them (compared to 1 driver etc). "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Gotcha. [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. Mickesgolf Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! That isn't the best or correct way by any means.it's just a tool. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. [/quote] Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Vice versa if the club is upright. Odyssey Pro #1 black Its all about ball flight and gaps. [/quote] Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. hit a few balls each PW, 9, 8, 7, WAY back in your stance, I mean move it so far back it feels ludicrous. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Hogan was big into this. PGA Tour players swing the club fast. Still have questions? Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Coops somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. Display as a link instead, Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Clear editor. [/quote]actually a "good" player (one who actually CAN control trajectory) could grab 10 different clubs off a rack and MAKE the ball flight in the air look VERY similar (no, that doesn't mean they are all ideal for the player, and no that doesn't mean they all fit him). You might as well get a distance gap before bending. no i've struggled with a fade all season. So, if you want to bend your golf clubs this season, you can expect to pay somewhere around the $100 mark for your entire set of irons, but you might be able to negotiate a discount. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. Mickesgolf If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. ProV1x-mostly. [/quote] . Learn how to control your irons from multiple ydgs. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1444396444' post='12432280'] Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. You cannot paste images directly. 9 iron 41 148 To avoid this, make sure to take your irons to a golf pro at least once a year. [/b][/size] This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Upload or insert images from URL. Pros and cons? or 5 iron 26 198 In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. Fitting.. gives you a choice. I would be pleased with them. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. [/quote] The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. See What Members Are Saying! This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. 6-iron launch: 17* Is that ok? I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. tiger does it, hyuck hyuck. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Which is more typical to change? so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task GM Never Compromise GM2 putter Axis 1 Rose model 35.5'' You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Iomic Golf Grips: 8 Key Facts Before You Buy. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. i.e. So that could be the difference. Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. Every 1* is about 3 yards each way However, given the fact that you can bend your golf clubs for as little as $5 by taking them to a professional club fitter, its probably best not to attempt it yourself if you dont have the right equipment. The cb301 had an x100 and the blade had a modus 125x. Flex options determine the amount of bend in the shaft when force is applied to it as in a golf swing. Titleist SM8 50/56 W/ LAgolf, Callaway Jaws Raw 60Z /Kbs 610 Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 Pw 45 131, Hickory Bag: Brassie, Mid Iron, Mashie, Mashie Niblick, Niblick, Putter, Driver: PXG 12*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0, Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two), Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX (finally found a driving that works), Irons: NIKE VR Pro CBs Raw 4 - PW: Aldila RIP Tour 115 s,these are similar length irons (4 iron 37.75, PW 36.25)7, Wedges: Titleist Vokey 50F, 54D, 58S: DG S300 (will sometimes add in the 58* on shorter courses), Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour. 8-iron - 34.5 degrees. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). [/quote] about 2-2.5 increase in bounce for 4-5 increase in loft. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. (I think) I know this isn't real complexI guess what I'm asking is, I'm not sure what he testedI'm guessing lie since I hit on a board. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. Anyone know if most pros have this done? [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) 15% of the top 100 PGA Tour pros use stiff shafts in their irons including Hideki Matsuyama, Corey Connors, and Matt Kuchar. 5 iron 27 195 I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. The general rule of thumb is that 1* ~ 3 yards (which is why consistent 4* gaps is pretty standard). One way to make the necessary adjustments to your golf clubs is to bend them. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? [quote name='MountainKing' timestamp='1444316608' post='12427752'] GIVEAWAY! Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). PM Grind 2.0 54w/PX, PM Grind 1.0 64 w/DG Mizuno JPX-800 Pro 5-P, X100 Your previous content has been restored. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Thanks everybody for the help! 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. WRXer 'harpu728' kicks off the thread saying: "Being that higher-lofted irons within the same set are easier to hit (i.e. You can post now and register later. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Two of the most common swing flaws among amateurs, are swings that are either too "steep" or that are "over the top" (each creating an out-to-in swing path). Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? [/quote] Another thing to note is that a manufacturers new set of clubs doesnt mean their lofts are completely accurate.
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